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Wira, the director of Five Pillars Experience in Bali, talks about how Five Pillars celebrates the allure of rural communities, it's mission and journey.

In this episode, Ged is joined by Wira who is the Founder and Director of Five Pillars Experiences in Bali.

Wira founded Five Pillars in 2015 with the mission to curate inspiring and responsible travel experiences that celebrate the allure of rural communities, diverse cultures, and pristine natural environments in Bali and beyond. We learn more about the work of Five Pillars from Wira and took the opportunity when we met up in Bali recently to record this podcast live and in person.

Huge thanks to Wira for sharing his insights with us today and if you’d like to learn more about Five Pillars Experiences and see the wonderful work they are doing in local communities, then please do visit:

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Geoffrey Lipman, SUNx Co-founder